Robert Michael Gates is an American statesman and university president who served as the 22nd United States Secretary of Defense from 2006 to 2011. Gates served for 26 years in the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Council, and under President George H. W. Bush was Director of Central Intelligence. In this episode Leon Charney and Robert Gates talk about the book From the Shadows: The Ultimate Insider's Story of Five Presidents and How They Won the Cold War. In this interview, they also discuss the presidents that Mr. Gates has served under. Rerun: January 19, 2014 Original Broadcast Date: October 13, 1996